Friday, February 17, 2012

My Career Path - Dave Roberts pt. 2

2) Describe some challenges you've faced in your work. Are there experiences you've had as a supervisor (or with a supervisor) that presented particular difficulty (or joy)? Are there challenging interactions with faculty, colleagues, students, or parents that have made lasting contributions to your learning?

We all have a life/career changing experience that we can point to as a defining moment in our career. Towards the end of my first year as an Asst. Director we had a student death on campus. The student who died was a freshman. He died in a friend’s room from asphyxiation from his own vomit after drinking too much alcohol. He died in a hall in my area but was actually a resident in another hall in my area. I was one of the first staff on the scene and almost instantly Dee Siscoe (our Dean of Students) and the Director for Housing were both there with us as the incident unfolded. I vividly remember sitting in the room across the hall from the hall director’s office after the ambulance had just driven the body away when my boss came over and told me that Dee was calling the parents. I have never been so happy to not be someone as I was to not be Dee that day. I then had to go to the residence hall and call an all hall meeting for a few hours later that evening to tell all of his friends and hall mates that this student had died. He was incredibly popular and everyone loved this guy, it was such a tragedy. I was also there when his parents came to collect his belongings as they stood outside the door and told us what they wanted out of his room, it was too hard for them to come into the room. The staff at SMU did a great job, and Dee’s leadership was impeccable, but I knew I wasn’t emotionally prepared enough to handle another incident like that at that point in my life.

One of the biggest challenges I have faced recently is the tension between some faculty and staff. I do not think it is this way everywhere, but at my current institution there are many faculty who really look at us in Student Affairs as party planners and do not respect us as colleagues. More than once I have had a faculty member refer to me as “young fella” or insinuate that they can’t believe I am as young as I am based on the email correspondences we have had.

I have had a few good supervisors, a few decent supervisors and some who were not so delightful. I will toot my own horn and say that I am a really good supervisor. I have had the good fortune to supervise some really amazing people. I have never fired anyone, though I have given several people the opportunity to resign. I stated before that at SMU the staff there were like family to me. There was one guy who I was on staff with, he was five years older than me and we instantly became best friends during my first year at SMU. I was honestly closer to him and his wife and son than I was to my own brothers. We would commiserate together when we were frustrated about our jobs, we would go out for a beer after work and we even spent holidays with him and his extended family since our families were so far away. However, when I was promoted to Assistant Director from Hall Director I became his direct supervisor and my office was literally located between his office and his apartment. As his supervisor I can tell you that he was late for everything, turned in sloppy work and did not take his job as serious as I would have expected. When I had to address him as a supervisor he was always full of excuses and I eventually had to write him up for his infractions. Our relationship changed completely. It was hard and I really struggled with my decisions but I had to be objective as his supervisor. His actions were causing me to get in trouble with my supervisor. You will find that in your career you find people who you really like as friends, but not co-workers. You can’t be friends with the people you supervise, you can be friendly, but there is a line.

The best advice I have ever heard about dealing with angry parents or students was to let them “climb mad mountain”. Sometimes people just want someone to yell at, there isn’t really a solution, or if there is, they need to get out their frustration first. As long as people are not threatening or making personal attacks, I have let them voice their frustrations and then I calmly ask them what I can do to help them resolve their issue. I use this all of the time in student conduct.

3) What keeps you going? What are the best parts of the work, particularly any surprises you've experienced, ways in which the work was better or more fun than you expected?
One of the greatest mentors I ever had was Valerie Averill, who worked in Residence Life at USF for a number of years said something that has always stuck with me. Right before graduation Valerie said "You have a child-like enthusiasm and devotion for the work you do in this field and I really appreciate that about you.” I would say that is a pretty good assessment. I love working in Student Affairs, I get excited about the work I do and while every day isn’t sunshine and roses, I still go home feeling fulfilled.

Something that surprises me is that I work with a lot of non-traditional students and active military members and veterans students, 90% of them I will only ever have contact with through phone or email. I have been surprised at how much I have enjoyed working with these non-traditional students and the quality/intentionality of the conversations we have over the phone or email. I have learned more about working in Higher Ed over the past few months working at Columbia College than I have since grad school. I am providing leadership for the Division of Student Affairs so I really have to look at things from a big picture perspective, weighing out our actions legally, ethically, and comparing ourselves to national standards. Columbia College recently sent me and 4 others to the island country of Malta in the Mediterranean because we are considering starting a campus there with an existing language arts school and wanted me to be on the exploratory team. This will be our first international campus. The process of creating a campus with an organization that already exists in a foreign country is fascinating. We will offer a full campus experience there so there are a lot of details to work out.

4) What advice would you share with entering professionals?
The next time you are in class look around, these people will be with you for the rest of your career. When I started at USF there were 28 in my cohort, we were the biggest cohort they had taken at that point. You are at such an advantage to have the opportunity to build these relationships with your classmates. I am still in contact with everyone from my class, several of them were in my wedding, we see each other at conferences, we talk on-line, and we call each other for advice or sometimes just to catch up. I have met alums from this program all over and worked with several who graduated at a different time than I did. I will speak for my class in saying that we have an affinity for this program, we want to see more and more professionals entering the field from USF and we are here to support you. Student Affairs is a small field, it may seem large but everyone knows each other or has some connection. This can work in your favor if you do good work, but it could work against you if you don’t pull your weight or don’t operate with ethics. I get calls occasionally from colleagues who are interviewing someone I know to get my opinion. Most times it is positive, but there are several times when I have not been able to provide a positive assessment based on my experience.

To sum all of this up into three statements:
1. Challenge yourself! Pursue opportunities that are outside of your comfort zone.
2. Build positive relationships with colleagues at your campus and at conferences.
3. Make your personal life a priority just like your professional life. It is possible to achieve some kind of balance.

11 comments:

  1. Dave, thank you for sharing your path in Student Affairs with our class. As second year graduate students in the CSA program (graduating in about 3 months) we can truly appreciate the advice and perspective you have provided.
    In reading your blog there were many situations that you were faced with that I have asked questions and wondered about, specifically the professional life and family life balance. You provided great perspective for those that are in a relationship. What advice do you have for single graduate students that are conducting a nationwide job search?
    I am the first in my family to attend and receive a Bachelor ( and soon Master) degree from a university. Family of 5, very close nit and family oriented. With that being said, you can probably imagine that there is some resistance when I speak with my family about my plans of stepping out of my comfort zone (and out of the state possibly for the first time).

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    1. Takiyah,
      Thanks for your comments and congratulations on your upcoming graduation! Student Affairs is a field where generally people move around. I always tell people doing a job search to figure out where you would be comfortable living first (climate, region, city-size, distance from family, etc.) Your family is always going to want you close; they're your family. However, when you are new in the field and maybe young enough where you have a little more freedom to live anywhere, it could be easier to take a big step away. Most people are in their first entry level job 2-5 years, then they transition for a little longer at the next position, and the next, and so on. So if you want to move away from your family for your first job, it is possible that it will be a temporary move and then in the next job you could move a little closer if that is what you want. It may be good to test the waters, but also don't feel like you have to move if you are not comfortable. It is a personal choice, think about what YOU want, you family will love you no matter what.
      When thinking about this first job really consider the size of the city, what you want/need in a community, and the cost of living. There are a number of cost of living calculators out there to help you determine how far your salary really will go. Also, insurance & benefits can really eat into your paycheck. At bigger schools your insurance premiums are generally less than at mid-size or smaller schools. My car insurance in Dallas, TX was three times what it is in Columbia, MO. However, my health insurance at Mizzou was half of what I pay at Columbia College.

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  2. Dave,
    I really liked hearing about your experiences as a supervisor. In my first job outside of undergrad (outside of higehr ed in property management), I had a supervisor that I really enjoyed personally, but felt could have improved as a supervisor. Although I didn't know my past supervisor before being a subordinate, my respect for her as a person is different than my respect for her as boss. I think this type of situation is fairly common and I hope I can be a good supervisor when the time comes. I also had never thought about how a close colleague could soon be someone you supervise and how that relationship would naturally have to change. I commend you for your ability to view your personal relationship separate from your job responsibilities because that does not seem easy, but is necessary. Thanks for sharing!

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    1. Thanks Rebecca,
      One thing I would encourage you all to do as supervisors, whether or not your institution requires it is semesterly performance reviews. In my experience, it helps to create a culture of constructive feedback. It also keeps us from having to rehash things that happened in September during an end of the year evaluation in May. I do them for my staff, I have them do one for themselves and one for me as well. I want feedback on my performance just as much as I want to provide them feedback. I will also say that in the case of an employee who is not working out it helps to have a record of that person's performance each semester along with goals for improving their performance. I always tell my staff though that during the evaluations there are should be no surprises and only once have I had someone violate that rule. Generally my staff are more critical of thier own performance in thier self-evaluations than I am. Good Luck in your job search!

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  3. Greetings Dave,

    You have had some intense experiences in your student affairs career. I really resonate with the part about critical feedback that you mentioned in your response to Becca. Over the past two years in this program, I have grown significantly in my ability to both give and receive criticism and it is definitely something that I will continue to improve. I am amazed by the way some students are able to take feedback and really reflect, learn, and apply changes to their behavior while others will fight you every step of the way. Some of those conversations can cause such tension that it threatens the very relationships that we strive so much to achieve, yet it is essential to maintaining your credibility as a professional. You bring up a great point about creating a culture around constructive feedback. In your experiences interviewing and accepting positions, was there anything in the interview process that indicated a culture of safety or the ability to take risks and learn from mistakes?

    Thanking you for taking the time to speak with our cohort. We definitely love and appreciate this program and it is always great to know another USF CSAer! Go Bulls!

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  4. Anthony,

    When you interview with an employer they are always going to ask if you have questions for them. ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS. If you have certain things you want to know about the job, supervision, office culture, etc. ask them, but be saavy about how you phrase your question. Generally all employers give you a grace period of 6 months to a year to let you really get a handle on the job. I still joke in my current position that I have been here about 6 months, so I still have another 6 months to screw things up without getting in trouble. Many employers will also have a 90 day review of your performance to make sure that you are the right fit for the job. That shouldn't scare you.

    6 months into my first job as a hall director I was questioning a lot of processes and practices, not because I was trying to be rude, but because at the time they seemed inefficent to me. Well the Director of Housing pulled me in for a private conversation one day. He told me that he had noticed me questioning things a bit and recommending different ways of accomplishing something. He told me he valued my feedback but that I hadn't made it through a whole year to see the big picture. He said "As you make your way through this year, keep notes of ideas and suggestions you have, but just go along with our processes for this year. At the end of the year when you have had a chance to see everything, if you still think there is a better way to accomplish something, write up a proposal and submit it to me." He said that they had been doing some of these things for a long time and he appreciated my passion but wanted me to give thier processes a try. It was humbling and a little embarassing, but a really helped me learn patience and a more appropriate way to make things happen. He was incredibly gracious about it, and he, like most professionals in the field, understood that I was still learning and still needed a teacher. This is a developmental field and so you shouldn't find very many people out there that don't expect you to make mistakes. Good Luck! Go Bulls!

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  5. Dave,
    I appreciate the honesty you had with Anthony about the feedback you received in your first job as a hall director. Since our cohort will be entering new positions soon, what advise do you have in adjusting to a new working climate? How do you pick up where a previous professional may have left off? How do you adjust to working with new people?

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    1. Scott,

      Entering a new position is both exciting and awkward, especially if you are working with students. One of my least favorite things to hear, especially from students is "well (your predecessor) always let us do it like this." or "(Your predecessor) told us _________." It is natural for them to want to revert to how things were done, however, I always tell them that I am not that person and while I can understand why they might have done something a certain way, I have a different workstyle.

      People don't like change, they get comfortable with something and when you come in, you are new and they have to figure you out. Just know that it will be awkward for a bit. Also, don't let it get you down. My least favorite part of a new job is leaving students and staff who I loved and who loved me, and starting at a new place where no one knows me or my experience. You have to start building relationships all over again.

      How you pick up where one person left off is tricky. It depends on if they were doing a good job and how much information they leave behind. The easiest thing is to determine your supervisor's expectations and goals for your performance. Ask lots of questions and listen to your co-workers and student leaders to help determine your direction. You are never going to be that person, so don't try to be, just be you and run the job in the way that works best for your style.

      In terms of building relationships with staff members, go to lunch with people. If you are the type of person that finds personal relationships as important as work relationships, then find times to bond with your colleagues outside of work. In my first job we were all young and single/newly-wed. So every Friday night we had "Mexican and a Movie", we would visit one of the 3 million mexican/tex-mex restaurants in the Dallas/Fort Worh Metroplex and then go to a movie. It wasn't mandatory, but a lot of us went and had a great time. Not every place will be that open, but just asking co-workers to lunch will help get you out of your comfort zone.

      Good Luck!
      Dave

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  6. Hello Dave,

    Thank you for sharing your story! I especially appreciated you sharing the tragedy of the death of the freshman student and the steps that you all took to address the students and parents. I can only imagine how difficult that time was for the family and campus community. My current assistantship is in Housing & Residential Education and this is a circumstance that I hope I never have to experience, but want to be prepared for.

    My question to you is about the section on supervision. I too, have had some great supervisors who have really invested in my professional and personal growth. My more recent experiences have been compromising in some ways but I feel that I have done a decent job being vocal about things I value in the work place (accountability, integrity, ethical behavior). I understand that Ethics is one of those topics that can be complex and circumstantial however how do you approach a situation where you as a new professional is being asked to do something that is unethical by your direct supervisor? In many situations I know what I would do but for the greater of the group and just to get your perspective I would appreciate your input. Thanks again!

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  7. Monica,

    Sorry for the delay in my response, I have been very busy lately and haven't been on here for some time. I would say if your boss approaches you with something you feel is unethical it is important to ask them questions to help you better understand their reasoning. If they answer those questions and you still feel like they are being unethical, I think it is good to share your feelings with your supervisor. (This can be tricky depending on your relationship with your supervisor. If that doesn't get you anywhere, you may want to follow your chain of command and speak to their supervisor. There is a system of checks and balances in higher ed through the chain of command or ultimately human resources or equity offices on campus. I would always go to my supervisor or co-worker first to get an explaination or more information to make sure I understand precisely what was going on though before I worked my way up the chain. I hope that helps.

    Dave

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